Reincarnation and the Art of Letting Go: A Feminine Exploration

Join hosts Nischala Joy Devi and Kamala Rose as they explore the timeless wisdom of the Bhagavad Gita from a modern, feminine perspective. In this thought-provoking podcast, "A Woman's Gita," they delve into the ancient text's profound insights on the nature of the self, the relationship between spirit and matter, and the path to inner peace and liberation. Through engaging discussions and personal reflections, they offer a fresh interpretation that resonates with the unique experiences and challenges faced by women in the Western world today.

In this episode, Nischala and Kamala cover:

• The Chariot Metaphor and Philosophical Worldview
• Understanding the Self and Modern Society
• The Role of Superhuman Deities and Krishna Consciousness
• Experiences with Life-Threatening Diseases and Reincarnation
• The Art of Dying and Yoga Practice
• The Eternal Self and Suffering
• The Role of Women in Spirituality and Intuition
• The Interconnectedness of Nature and Spirit
• The Power of Meditation and Introspection
• Empowerment and the Teachings of the Bhagavad Gita

Transcript

Unknown: 0:02

Namaste. Welcome to a woman's Gita podcast, a modern discussion of the Bhagavad Gita by and for Western women. A women's Gita features discussions on the Bhagavad Gita, the timeless classic of Eastern wisdom, reinterpreted from the perspective of two female teachers, your hosts are nistula Joy, Davey and Kamala Rose, who have dedicated their lives to the yoga tradition at a time when women's voices are finally emerging, a feminine perspective of the wartime treatise could not be more timely.

Kamala Rose: 0:42

Namaste, Welcome to a woman's Gita Podcast. I'm Kamala rose and I'm nischala Joy. Davey, thank you so much for joining us today on a woman's Gita we are picking up where we left off from our dialog on the chariot metaphor. The Chariot metaphor is a passage of it's taken from the Katha Upanishad that is used in the Bhagavad Gita beginning in chapter two, as a sort of an overview of the the philosophical world view that Krishna is using and teaching from, right? This is the worldview that speaks of the the self, right, the ultimate self that each one of us is the indwelling the innermost, as being the Lord of the chariot and the chariot being the body that takes us through life. Right? We move around the world by the wheels of the chariot, and we are propelled around by the the horses that represent the senses, right, the five horses that represent the five senses carrying on down the roads of our sense experiences, controlled hopefully by the rains, by that represent the mind, the attention or the Manas. These reins are held skillfully by the highest aspect of the mind, called the buddhi, that is represented as what is represented by the charioteer. In this case, Krishna is the charioteer, and he's teaching Arjuna how to drive his chariot. So here in chapter two, we're picking up on the discourse of how to frame the situation of the Battle of krushetra for Arjuna, the soldier, and how he can gain control of the sense experience that he's having that is causing him tremendous pain, confusion and angst. As we pick up here in chapter two, Krishna is teaching about the self, the real identity. He's told Arjuna, you're having it's the way you're perceiving this present moment that's the problem. Lift up, understand the truth of the real self, and things will become clear.

Nischala Joy Devi: 3:34

220 the understanding that the self is birthless, deathless, real and imperishable. How could it perish when the body dies? 221, if the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and unchanging, how then could it be destroyed? So we're asking two questions here that are very, very important, because in our modern society, we don't do this much introspection. We don't look into how who we really are, who is there? Questioning, constantly looking. Instead, we try to use the things on the outside to define us. We we get an education, and then we call ourselves a professor, a doctor, a nurse, whatever it is that we have studied, we put on then as that's who we are. What's being told to us here is so extraordinary, because there's something within us that is never, never dies. It's never born, but it's real, and it is like Kamala. You were just saying, This is what drives us. If. We can tune into it. The problem is we're so influenced by anything on the outside that sways us one way or another, it elates us, depresses us, depending on our nature and who we are. So here we get some wonderful news, but what do we do with it? How do we work with this? How do we find it? How do we know that what he's telling us is true? And I think it goes back to that same thing, the only way we know is to go within and not be influenced by the outside, even if it's a half hour a day, to remind us who we really are, all this would then make perfect sense to us.

Kamala Rose: 5:53

It's only through experience that we can know the self, and I find this a lot, and maybe many of you will agree with this, that when you're reading the Gita or some of the other beautiful works of Indian philosophy, we're presented with this idea of a part of ourselves that is eternal. It is beyond the comings and goings of everyday life, something that is indestructible, eternal, unborn and unchanging, while everything else around us is destructible, temporary, born and then dying and changing all of the time. Right? So we have these two principles that are in relationship all the time. Being able to discern the difference is here what's key. And as Nisha is so appropriately reminding us that this is not an intellectual concept. We don't just hold these kind of binaries as as as concepts we're meant to experience. We're meant to know ourselves as something other than the changeable body, the changing emotions, right? The body that is aging, the body that is eventually will die the body that's very destructible, right? We're meant to know a part of ourselves that's beyond that. And how can we know this? As you say, through meditation, if it's only 1020, 30 minutes a day that we are able to remind ourselves who we really are, beyond the comings and goings of the world around us.

Nischala Joy Devi: 7:48

I think also, the other thing that he's trying to say here is that this is who we are. You may not understand it. You may not conceive of it yet. And to me, this small part here is one of the reasons in my mind, anyway that we have created, or has been created or has been given to us, however you want to put it, these superhuman deities were suddenly given to us and all the different traditions, the one that parts the sea, the one that makes fishes and loaves, the one that turns wine into water, into wine, all these fantastic things to Let us know that there is something special. There is something in there that you may not see, but you may be able to see it in this person, in this persona of someone who is doing it. And then what we do, then if we worship that person, which many, many millions and even billions of people do eventually that will then be turned over and come back to us that it's not something that's external, that is something that's within us always, and that's why they use The expression Krishna consciousness rather than Krishna or Christ consciousness, rather than just the Christ, it's the essence of who they are that resonates completely with who we are,

Kamala Rose: 9:34

this eternal self. The kaupanishad says that this primeval one is difficult to perceive. Yeah, it's wrapped in mystery, hidden in the Cave of the Heart. Yes, residing within an impenetrable depth. We regard this as a god. We regard. This as an insight gained by inner contemplation. This is beyond sorrow. It is beyond joy. It is beyond everything that we ordinarily measure by a part of ourselves that is deep within. In verse 22 we're coming to one of the most famous verses from the Gita. Yeah, just as one casts off worn out clothes and puts on new ones, so also this eternal self throws away worn out bodies and takes on new ones, right? What a wonderful image of an eternal nature, a spiritual nature that never dies, picking up the material nature of a body, wearing that for a period of time, a lifetime, and then putting it down, yep, later to pick up another one. I wonder how often we question or look at ourselves that way, as someone who is consciousness that is wearing this body, that this is a temporary expression, this body that I am wearing, you are wearing. And all people who are embodied today are wearing a body that will be cast off at the time of death only to pick up another one at a later time. This, of course, is the doctrine of reincarnation, fundamental to the Bhagavad Gita world view. You

Nischala Joy Devi: 11:45

know, I have had some very interesting experiences working with people with life threatening diseases, because this is something that when you are diagnosed, it's not the first thing that is thought about what we do is we want to preserve the body at all costs, and some of those costs are very high. So what we begin to see is the the nature and the way our society has become. It's really to save the body at all costs. Instead of going inward to see what's in the body, what moves the body like we we just heard the beautiful metaphor of it driving the chariot. Well, who drives our chariot? Who drives us? Who drives our body? And there's something inside that does this, and that's this is what they're talking about, to be able to get to that place, to get to that point, and realize also when we're there, we're all the same, we're not different. What makes us different is the body. What makes this difference is the color. You have this color here, I have that color here. This one has this, that one has that that's all physical. Once we get to this place, we're all one. We're all one, and we know what to do. We know what to do there. So this can be very frightening to people. What I then saw is as they got closer to this removal of these worn off clothes and the body, it was now not some place they want to live anymore, they start understanding and they start talking about what's next, etc. And you know, when we talk about reincarnation, I have to bring in one of my great teachers, and I think many people, was Elizabeth Kubler Ross. She was really a pioneer in this area. And when she was asked, do they does she believe in reincarnation, she stepped back. She was a little, tiny thing. She stepped back, and she looked at them, and she said, No, I don't believe in it. I know it to be true. And I think that once you have had an experience, whether in deep meditation, whether in near death, whatever it may be, we realize, because if we really thought that this was it, and we watch it age, we watch it get sick, we watch it change, we would be horrified, as many people are. How many people spend millions and billions of dollars. I just talked to someone this morning, and they said she doesn't want to get old. Well, who does, but it's going to happen, so you might as well find something that doesn't get old. And that's the spirit. It's always young. You.

Kamala Rose: 15:02

I think as yoga practitioners, it's it this. I mean, this is so vital, of course. This is a cornerstone of yoga philosophy, understanding the relationship of spirit and body. These are such wise words coming from those who have seen so many stages, I know being there at the time of birth and at the time of death, like we see a new body being taken on and we see a new body being let go. I think one of the things I'm thinking about what you were just we were just saying nishchala was just about how much wisdom has been gained from the influence of Eastern philosophy into the art of dying, right, The Art of Letting Go, learning to consciously let go to prepare for letting go of the body. And I think this is as yoga practitioners, this is one of the most important things we can gain, especially if we're doing physical practice and and work with the breath. Right? We know that it's through the breath that the Spirit enters, and it's through the breath that the spirit leaves. And you know when we when we work with yoga as a system of coming to a peace and a harmony within the body, right here, right now, whether that's in postures, in pranayama, in meditation, right, through the application of ethics, through our yamas and niyamas, right? And in our our deepening meditation ultimately leading towards Samadhi, which is that state where we are, where the self is in its own state, right? The self is in its own nature. We find that in the Yoga Sutras, sutra one three, that in Samadhi, the self is finally able to be in its own nature and its own you know, almost like returning to the water in a way in you know, everything else being foreign to that eternal nature, right? So this idea of reincarnation, accepting the idea of reincarnation, I think, less in the way of thinking about who I was in past lives, and more about who can, who can I become and how to let go well at the end of life, one of my favorite quotes on this is, is the Dalai Lama saying that every day I prepare for death. And I think this is a very life affirming way to live, to appreciate every day and know that everything is not going to last forever as we continue this self, just just, just to enunciate the point. Krishna says that this self, weapons cannot cut it, fire cannot burn it, water cannot wet it and wind cannot dry it cannot be cut, burnt, wetted or dried up. Thus, right through the process of elimination, a classic reasoning, thus, it is eternal. It's all pervading. It's firm, it's immovable, and it is ancient.

Nischala Joy Devi: 18:41

So what he's doing, he's, he's, he's taking us through each of the elements I this. This is the part where I really see some compassion coming out of Krishna. He realizes, and my guess is, I wasn't there. But my guess is, when he proclaimed this in 222 Arjun was kind of stunned, and had that expression on his face as many as of us get. And we talk about wearing our thoughts on our face, and that's why he then comes in and he talks about each element. He's talking about fire, he's talking about water, he's talking about wind. He's saying none of this affects it because it is not physical. It is not part of the material world. The body is made up of the material world, and the body returns to the material world, whether it is buried, whether it is burnt, whether it is put up on a roof like the Zoroastrians and the birds come and eat it. Whatever it is, it is not of the Spirit. And I think this is if, if somehow. We could be taught hand in hand, right hand and left hand. One side is spirit, one side is nature, and we could walk through life understanding that each one has their place in our lives, and they work intertwined together, that we listen to what the Spirit has to say to us when we can get in contact with it. And that's why I go back to again, to the people who are very ill they get and I use the expression, it's not a physical but I see they get very thin. And what I mean by that is not the physical body gets thin, but they're the veil between the worlds gets very thin, and they start to be able to see, wait a second, that's not me. I had a one experience. This was very interesting. It was a woman, she was getting close to death, and her religion, again, taught her that basically, when you die, that's it. You're done. End of everything finished, nothing else. You don't go on, etc. She was scared to death, to die, because she thought there was nothing else. So she came and I was working with her, and I saw the fear in her. I could, I could feel it palpable. So I took her through a deep relaxation with some imagery, and she got very, very still. And with a person like that, you have to worry a little bit, are they still here? And she was still breathing, I was happy. And so I just went over and I sat with her. I didn't touch her, but I sat right beside her. And eventually she came back. And when she came back, she came back laughing, hysterically, laughing. Now this was a very serious woman. She came in very serious. Barely said hello, and just said, let's get down to it. She was laughing so hard that her whole body was shaky, and finally, and I just started laughing, because it's contagious. And I was laughing. And finally, I looked at her, I said, What are we laughing about? And she pointed to the body, and she said, This poor, decrepit body. I thought it was me, and now I see because I was sitting up on the ceiling, looking down on this body, and I see this is not me. She did die, but she died with a smile on her face, knowing who she was. So this was a gift, not just for her, but for me too, because we start to see and understand and know that we are so much more than the physical body,

Kamala Rose: 22:54

and this is the knowledge that liberates us. This is a special kind of knowledge, and again, not not just a concept, not just a you know, philosophical binaries, but this is a real mystical experience that when, when you have it and when you know this, it changes everything. What a great story to illustrate that that it's almost as though what you were so worried about just is is gone, is removed. That's why she was laughing. Yeah, yeah. Often this knowledge is represented by a flame, right? This the symbol of of insight, of jnana, is that eternal flame of knowledge that illuminates the darkness. The darkness is a way of saying the suffering that comes from thinking that you're the body that's right, and that you will at some point end, and that there should be fear in this way, right? So this is liberatory knowledge. It has the quality of moksha, of being able to release us from suffering. And I think it's worth mentioning that this is really the issue that we're dealing with. Here is an answer to the suffering of Arjuna, state of mind. I am not sure what I should do. I'm not sure what's real, the answer to suffering or this, this, this chapter is called Sankhya yoga, and this is really where the first, you know, one of the first times it's formally acknowledged that all is suffering, yeah, right, everything. You're just happy, you're sad, you're achieving, you're full of pride, you're desolate, you're in despair, you're all of the kinds of things that we experience in our emotions. All of this is. Suffering. It's because we grasp it. We want to hold on to it. We want it to last. We want to be beautiful, like when we were young for our whole lives and are disappointed when we grow older. All of these are these are the sufferings that we deal with every single day, and so does every single human being in the world deal with a feeling of discontent with the present moment? Therefore this knowledge has the ability to free us from that suffering by changing perspective, by giving us another way to look at it, which is like your friend from above, yep. What's to worry about? Who I really am, as will always be, yeah, therefore you shall not grieve, yeah.

Nischala Joy Devi: 25:51

And there, the self is unknowable by the senses. This 225, I think this is really important because, and I'm going to get back to a concept that we talked about a long time ago when we started, uh, talking about this. We're talking about the ability to study and understand from an intellectual point, as opposed to what he's now describing as very mystical. This is very mystical. What we're talking about now. And the idea of mysticism is to have a direct knowledge that's really the the overall understanding of what a mystic is. A mystic is someone that doesn't need to go somewhere else for knowledge, but takes it themselves. And how I read this particular aspect. This is what he's saying. You cannot learn this by the senses. It's unthinkable by the mind, and is not subject to any kind of change. Therefore, do not grieve. So I think that what happens is people strive to understand it with the mind, and that's why it gets so bastardized. It gets so convoluted because we're trying to explain something that's unexplainable, we can't experience it with the senses. If it can't be cut, burnt, wedded or dried, then that's all we know. We're very limited in what we understand. And when we see something mystical, when something mystical happens to us, we either try to explain it away, repress it because it's too frightening. Instead, if we embrace it and say, Wow, another part of myself is coming out. I knew that phone was going to ring before it rang. How was that? Where is that connection that was not on the phone line, but was in someplace else? This, this, to me is what he's trying to say, go past what you know is the physical. Go beyond that, and go to that place that is beyond the senses, where the knowing comes, the real knowing, the understanding of the self. And to me, the most beautiful thing about all this is when we understand it about ourselves. We see it in everybody else. So we know that we are not the only ones, but everyone is that. And I just wanted to get back to something you said also this, this idea of suffering, and I think the Buddha used this as one of his main Noble Truths. And how it's interpreted, though, is a little different. So a lot of people say it's a statement, all life is suffering, or it's a proclamation that means all life is suffering. I think it was an observation, that's how I see it, that he came out of this enlightened state that he was in, and he came out enough to look around and he said, Oh my goodness, look at this. All life is suffering, and there's only one way to get out of it, and that's to know who you are, because once you know you are, then there's no more suffering. So that's how I I see. This is very mystical. It's a very mystical aspect to it that we're now doing. Therefore do not grieve because it's there. Yeah,

Kamala Rose: 29:41

I think mystical is the only way to really describe what we're talking about here a direct experience. It transcends ordinary consciousness. It's not something that as you've said, as you said, it's we're it's not from this ordinary state of mind that we're talking here right now. It's when we transcend this. State of mind. And you know, the Buddha's insights come from the Indian traditions. And you know the philosophical background of yoga really is coming from answering this question of dukkha. Why are why do we suffer? How can we free ourselves from this suffering so long before the Buddha, the the yogis, the the pre yogis, the renunciates of the Upanishads and the earliest traditions coming from the Vedas, understood this, this fact of dukkha, of suffering, and all that we do to get out of dukkha, all of the grasping and striving to try to make ourselves happy again with

Nischala Joy Devi: 30:55

the sukkah, the super with suit, yeah, with sukkah. So we make our we bring in things that try to make us happy, but it's a little like kids at Christmas. They get all these presents and they rip them open. They say, next, next, next. What's next? What's next is you have to go in and do the work. That's the only way you can do it.

Kamala Rose: 31:17

Absolutely, that's it. And and what you were saying beyond the senses. I have a few verses from the Cana Upanishad, that which is the hearing beyond hearing, the thinking beyond thinking, the speech behind speech, the sight behind beyond behind site. It is also the breathing behind breathing freed completely from these the wise become immortal when they depart from this world, another kind of insight where we understand the world to be phenomena that we are, the consciousness is experiencing, and that self, the Atman, as what is often called noumenon, or the source, the experiencer, right? The only way this atman can be known, the self can be known is through direct experience, anything else is phenomena,

Unknown: 32:24

yep, right? Or mental, mental, the mental, yeah,

Kamala Rose: 32:29

right. But what is, what is the thinking that is behind beyond thinking, right? What is the source of all that we know and experience as the inner space of mind, emotions and feelings and personality and all of the things that we identify ourselves as, what is the source and what is be beyond that?

Nischala Joy Devi: 32:54

And that's what we're trying to do. However, the outside world is so strong and it's taking us in the opposite direction. It's telling us that we can be beautiful until we're 95 it's telling us, but it's telling us that we at 95 we should look like we're 25 No, you should have a beauty at 95 that's a 95 beauty because the spirit is still coming through it. The Spirit, what you look at when you look at someone's body is you are seeing spirit in matter, and we forget that. So just going back and looking at how you spend your day, what do you spend it on, and how much time is spent on the spirit compared to to the material most of us it's 99.9% maybe we say a prayer before a mural. Maybe we say a prayer before we go to bed. Maybe we say thank you to someone. But most of us don't do that. Just think what it would be the opposite if we spent 99.9% on spirit and point 1%

Kamala Rose: 34:14

on the material. I think as women, we these are some issues that you know that yoga certainly introduces to us, and it's so important to pause and to think about that very much, how much time we spend on our outer form and what's expected of us in our outer form, right? As women, we have a long, length, long, lengthy list of of roles that we are supposed to fit into. Right, certainly, being tall and thin is on the top of most women's subconscious list. Right, being thin. Physically attractive. And, you know, if we're not able to perceive ourselves in that way, we often can feel like a failure, right? I think, I think these, I think this idea of the body and identifying with the body really, I think women wear it in a certain way, and the liberatory insight of yoga can be exactly the medicine that we need.

Nischala Joy Devi: 35:29

Yeah, I think we have a incredible need to have this physicality, because it seemed to have gotten polarized at one point, and the men took on the thinking aspect. So they're supposed to be the ones that think, and they're the ones that make all these wonderful inventions, when actually we look at them, and is a lot of it was from women, but not from an intellectual way from the intuitive, from coming from that place within. So I think that we really missed an opportunity as women to use our intuition, to use our ability to know things and to trace it back, where did it come from? And go back to our hearts and realize that it came from that nameless, formless place, and we have been given energy from that. So I think that what people feel sometimes is they have to push the spirit, the material away. In order to get the spirit, people think they have to go into a monastery or convent or something like that, when in actuality, is best used in everyday life. Bringing that spirit in bringing in the form of love, you can bring it in any way you want, but I think the most common is the form of love, caring, compassion, and you brought up the Dalai Lama, kindness. Wouldn't it be nice to just have that? To me, that's one of the highest spiritual practices we can do, but we don't, because we're so fixated when that which changes instead of that which never changes. So if this has been going on for 1000s of years that they've been talking about this in all traditions, they took it out of some of the traditions because people got scared about reincarnation. They took it out also because they felt they couldn't control people, because they thought they had another chance at it next lifetime. So let's just take it out. This is what people did, and no one protested, because no one had the experience of knowing, or if it was very few, they didn't. Instead, let's all do this. We don't need a formal process. Just sit quietly, go into your heart and feel that self that's the same as everybody else's, that ray of sun that's in everybody you

Kamala Rose: 38:20

and this is how the transcendent experience really for most of us, right when we have that experience of the Self and are able to experience ourselves simply as being, as essence, as Sat Chit Ananda, when we're able to experience this, it's not just an isolated, personal experience. It, by nature, expands. And we see that everything is made of the same thing, the essence in the air, the fire, the water and the earth, the nature and intelligence of the animals that we live with, of the trees and the plants, we see an interconnected system of life, right, of nature and spirit interacting together. And I, I think for women, this is something that we do know intuitively. And we've we've forgotten. We've forgotten. And you know, they say that you know the, you know, some of the things that we some of the mindsets that we experience today are, you know, are so much a result of what patriarchy has done to us, right? It's told us that we are not able to know without the translation of men, right? We are not able to do this directly, only through a priest or through a husband or or a. By Sam Mayon, yes, some men, some way of men explaining to us and making it possible for us. But we also know intuitively that women's spiritual experience is very natural. And in fact, before patriarchy, it was our domain, right, the rites and rituals and often the spiritual leaders of villages would be the women, because we do walk into the mystic very easily. Right? We're able to understand the comings and goings and changings of nature on

Nischala Joy Devi: 40:41

a very intuitive level, because of our moon cycles and because of childbirth, right? You know, bringing life into the world and watching it leave, we're we're often the ones who are present for these comings and goings, especially if they're the ones giving birth. You're definitely there. Well, you know, that's the other thing, though, because not only have they taken away the Scripture and the the idea of that you're speaking of, but they actually took our bodies away from us too, and told us, after millions of years of giving birth that we don't know how to do that anymore, so we need to go into a hospital. We need to make it a medical experience instead of a spiritual experience. Now, rightly, there's some people that need to do that, that have a very difficult situation or medical emergency or whatever, but there's also a lot of women that can just give birth and that's been taken away from us in the West, we need to get this back. We need to go within and get the power that can't be taken away from us. We have to live with that power leading us. We're walking with that power, because it's going to continue. There's going to be continuous trying to take it away. And I don't think we want to fight. I don't know. Maybe that's what this is about. To me, again, I'm not a fighter, so this is not something that I would do, but quietly, without making a fuss, bring that out from your heart. Bring that out from your intuition. Start living your life that way, one at a time, not following the crowd, listening to what your heart has to say, and see if your life changes. See if the Bhagavad Gita makes sense when you do things like that. That's what I would say. Try it, because it's going to keep getting taken away. You know, they say the best chefs in the world are men. No, the best chefs in the world are women, but there's no acknowledgement of it, because they're cooking for their families. They're not in a big, famous restaurant. All these things that we've been told that men are better. It's not that they're better. They just do things in different ways than we do. So all that is in here. You know, when I read this, I also realize that a lot of the religions I'm talking about, definite religions now, not spirituality, discount women completely. They can't go near the altar. They can't do certain prayers. They can't do things that are open to men. Why? What is it who's controlling this? It's not the ultimate spirit. It's the minds of the small minded people that are doing this. So this is what we have to really do. And I so I think spirituality and getting this is not just for realization, which is main purpose, but also for living a complete and full life with the body, with the spirit and the nature, walking together

Kamala Rose: 44:24

wise words to wrap up on. We're certainly in a time where we as women need to own our empowerment, and there the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita can be so powerful for us at these at these times of change and challenge. I think one of the big takeaways for me is that the self existing in all beings establishes a universal human value that is. Beyond gender, beyond class, beyond station in life, beyond east, beyond West. Yes, all have the same value and all have the same potential to realize this self within and that's where our power comes from. Is from that direct realization. And my friends as women, as yoga, knees were Naturals. So please join me in nishchala in the space of meditation throughout your week, where we ask, who is breathing, who is hearing, who is experiencing this present moment,

Nischala Joy Devi: 45:44

who's offended by that comment? That's a big one. Someone says something and you get upset. Who is it that's getting upset? Think about that. Yeah, join us in meditation, because it's a river. It all flows.

Kamala Rose: 46:06

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Unknown: 46:21

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